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		<title>By: Allan</title>
		<link>http://tylersclark.com/blog/2009/10/youngstowns-burning-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1107</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 07:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carol,

Youngstown is a city on it&#039;s way back from the bottom,
and just like most cities it has good neighborhoods
and bad neighborhoods.

The neighborhood you are referring to is still pretty
nice, but you should exercise due diligence and
come see the city firsthand before making a final
decision.

There was a gentleman a couple years ago who started
a B&amp;B venture in one of the mansions at Fifth Ave.
and Tod Lane (the Burt Printz mansion) but the
business failed because he was unable to attract
enough clientele to make a go of it.  The cost of
utilities for an 8,000 square foot mansion is 
very high here due to the cold winters.

The Printz mansion was well cared for over the 
years and previous owners poured a lot of work
and money into the place.  This gentleman let
me do a photo shoot for my website, which is
dedicated to the historic homes and buildings
in Youngstown.

Just click on my name in this response and the
link will take you to my website.  Follow the
link for Historic Homes, then follow the link 
for Burt Printz mansion - it&#039;s a shining example
of the beautiful homes left by our predecessors
who lived during Youngstown&#039;s boom times of the
early 20th century, and the interior is absolutely
breathtaking.

As a former Youngstown citizen who moved away for
job opportunities, and recently decided to invest
in historic properties in the Wick Park neighborhood, my advice to you would be this:

Buy a property closer to Youngstown State University.  The neighborhoods just north of
YSU are chock full of historic homes that are
more than large enough to accomodate a B&amp;B, and
your chances of maintaining a high occupancy
rate will be much higher due to the historic
district&#039;s proximity to cultural institutions
like Stambaugh Auditorium, the park, and the
downtown area.

The quality of materials and workmanship that
went into these homes is of a caliber that would
be financially out of reach for most people, if 
they were to try and replicate them at today&#039;s
prices - not to mention the fact that they are
literally built like Sherman Tanks.

Should you decide to open a B&amp;B here, we all wish
you every success in your new venture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carol,</p>
<p>Youngstown is a city on it&#8217;s way back from the bottom,<br />
and just like most cities it has good neighborhoods<br />
and bad neighborhoods.</p>
<p>The neighborhood you are referring to is still pretty<br />
nice, but you should exercise due diligence and<br />
come see the city firsthand before making a final<br />
decision.</p>
<p>There was a gentleman a couple years ago who started<br />
a B&amp;B venture in one of the mansions at Fifth Ave.<br />
and Tod Lane (the Burt Printz mansion) but the<br />
business failed because he was unable to attract<br />
enough clientele to make a go of it.  The cost of<br />
utilities for an 8,000 square foot mansion is<br />
very high here due to the cold winters.</p>
<p>The Printz mansion was well cared for over the<br />
years and previous owners poured a lot of work<br />
and money into the place.  This gentleman let<br />
me do a photo shoot for my website, which is<br />
dedicated to the historic homes and buildings<br />
in Youngstown.</p>
<p>Just click on my name in this response and the<br />
link will take you to my website.  Follow the<br />
link for Historic Homes, then follow the link<br />
for Burt Printz mansion &#8211; it&#8217;s a shining example<br />
of the beautiful homes left by our predecessors<br />
who lived during Youngstown&#8217;s boom times of the<br />
early 20th century, and the interior is absolutely<br />
breathtaking.</p>
<p>As a former Youngstown citizen who moved away for<br />
job opportunities, and recently decided to invest<br />
in historic properties in the Wick Park neighborhood, my advice to you would be this:</p>
<p>Buy a property closer to Youngstown State University.  The neighborhoods just north of<br />
YSU are chock full of historic homes that are<br />
more than large enough to accomodate a B&amp;B, and<br />
your chances of maintaining a high occupancy<br />
rate will be much higher due to the historic<br />
district&#8217;s proximity to cultural institutions<br />
like Stambaugh Auditorium, the park, and the<br />
downtown area.</p>
<p>The quality of materials and workmanship that<br />
went into these homes is of a caliber that would<br />
be financially out of reach for most people, if<br />
they were to try and replicate them at today&#8217;s<br />
prices &#8211; not to mention the fact that they are<br />
literally built like Sherman Tanks.</p>
<p>Should you decide to open a B&amp;B here, we all wish<br />
you every success in your new venture.</p>
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		<title>By: carol</title>
		<link>http://tylersclark.com/blog/2009/10/youngstowns-burning-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1105</link>
		<dc:creator>carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am looking at buying a house on Tod Ln. And having a Bed and Breakfast. I am not from OH. I&#039;m from Texas. Is there a market in Youngstown for that type of bussiness? I read so much about the town and not really sure what to believe. Good and bad. Tell me what you think. Can it be a very long term deal or short lived. What is the crime like on that side of town. I am in San Antonio and it is the 7th largest city in the U.S. We have crime, lots of murders and tons of houses falling down. But people are surviving.
We restuctured the city and it is now thriving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am looking at buying a house on Tod Ln. And having a Bed and Breakfast. I am not from OH. I&#8217;m from Texas. Is there a market in Youngstown for that type of bussiness? I read so much about the town and not really sure what to believe. Good and bad. Tell me what you think. Can it be a very long term deal or short lived. What is the crime like on that side of town. I am in San Antonio and it is the 7th largest city in the U.S. We have crime, lots of murders and tons of houses falling down. But people are surviving.<br />
We restuctured the city and it is now thriving.</p>
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		<title>By: Steeltown USA up to 7000 copies with new printing &#124; Youngstown Renaissance</title>
		<link>http://tylersclark.com/blog/2009/10/youngstowns-burning-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1074</link>
		<dc:creator>Steeltown USA up to 7000 copies with new printing &#124; Youngstown Renaissance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] They continue to emphasize the importance of place and the danger that comes with losing our collective memory. To combat this, they write a sort of people&#8217;s history of Youngstown, titled Steeltown U.S.A. I&#8217;ve quoted from the book in more than one post, talking about the environmental impact of our industrial legacy and, more recently, the relationship between arsons and the stripping away of communities. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] They continue to emphasize the importance of place and the danger that comes with losing our collective memory. To combat this, they write a sort of people&#8217;s history of Youngstown, titled Steeltown U.S.A. I&#8217;ve quoted from the book in more than one post, talking about the environmental impact of our industrial legacy and, more recently, the relationship between arsons and the stripping away of communities. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Eiselstein</title>
		<link>http://tylersclark.com/blog/2009/10/youngstowns-burning-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1054</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Eiselstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 00:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just got done doing a preliminary observation on 1000 Bryson for deconstruction. The building is an old brick fourplex.  It seems to have greek revival porches and sandstone window sills and lentils.

The porches have smaller columns and can be salvaged, years ago, the antique dealers loved them.  The sandstone is machined cut and also might be in demand.  I need to enter the building, but my guess is that the building is true brick construction and not veneer; there is enough brick for recyling and can supply an entire new structure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got done doing a preliminary observation on 1000 Bryson for deconstruction. The building is an old brick fourplex.  It seems to have greek revival porches and sandstone window sills and lentils.</p>
<p>The porches have smaller columns and can be salvaged, years ago, the antique dealers loved them.  The sandstone is machined cut and also might be in demand.  I need to enter the building, but my guess is that the building is true brick construction and not veneer; there is enough brick for recyling and can supply an entire new structure.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://tylersclark.com/blog/2009/10/youngstowns-burning-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1050</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 19:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron, not sure why you continue to antagonize. We can all be on the same team. In fact, some two dozen residents worked together this morning to clean up the vacant structure at 264 Broadway. It was very productive, and we would have welcomed your participation. I&#039;m sure these same doers will be open to participating in upcoming deconstruction events, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron, not sure why you continue to antagonize. We can all be on the same team. In fact, some two dozen residents worked together this morning to clean up the vacant structure at 264 Broadway. It was very productive, and we would have welcomed your participation. I&#8217;m sure these same doers will be open to participating in upcoming deconstruction events, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Eiselstein</title>
		<link>http://tylersclark.com/blog/2009/10/youngstowns-burning-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1047</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Eiselstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Attention, Attention, Attention!!!&quot;

The good congregation of Temple Nevel is to begin the DECONSTRUCTION of 1000 Bryson and 139 Park.  The congregation of Temple Nevel will provide volunteers to recycle sandstone foundation, various lumber, fixtures and hardware.  All community volunteers are invited to make this a green project and be cost effective.

Interested individuals who wish to join the &quot;Doer&#039;s club&quot; can contact Ron or Rick at 330 788 8009

* Members of the old &quot;Do Nothing Party&quot; need not waste productive time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Attention, Attention, Attention!!!&#8221;</p>
<p>The good congregation of Temple Nevel is to begin the DECONSTRUCTION of 1000 Bryson and 139 Park.  The congregation of Temple Nevel will provide volunteers to recycle sandstone foundation, various lumber, fixtures and hardware.  All community volunteers are invited to make this a green project and be cost effective.</p>
<p>Interested individuals who wish to join the &#8220;Doer&#8217;s club&#8221; can contact Ron or Rick at 330 788 8009</p>
<p>* Members of the old &#8220;Do Nothing Party&#8221; need not waste productive time.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob P.</title>
		<link>http://tylersclark.com/blog/2009/10/youngstowns-burning-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1044</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello all, I have a home if any one is interested in putting in equal time and money. Lets do it &quot;privatly&quot; and move on. We don&#039;t need gov&#039;t funds to slow and drag us down. I&#039;ve successfully did 2 homes this way and are now private single family homes in this area. It won&#039;t happen overnight but this will snowball and before you know the park will look great and the surrounding streets will start to catch up. Witout homeowners making up a majority of the population it will never come back. I&#039;m sorry to say this but it is the simple truth. Rentals do not have a stake in the neighborhood because they as transient and can pickup and leave anytime. Homeownership leads to a heathy neighborhood and community.This is what I will continue to focus my energy and time doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello all, I have a home if any one is interested in putting in equal time and money. Lets do it &#8220;privatly&#8221; and move on. We don&#8217;t need gov&#8217;t funds to slow and drag us down. I&#8217;ve successfully did 2 homes this way and are now private single family homes in this area. It won&#8217;t happen overnight but this will snowball and before you know the park will look great and the surrounding streets will start to catch up. Witout homeowners making up a majority of the population it will never come back. I&#8217;m sorry to say this but it is the simple truth. Rentals do not have a stake in the neighborhood because they as transient and can pickup and leave anytime. Homeownership leads to a heathy neighborhood and community.This is what I will continue to focus my energy and time doing.</p>
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		<title>By: J.R.</title>
		<link>http://tylersclark.com/blog/2009/10/youngstowns-burning-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1043</link>
		<dc:creator>J.R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I knew that it would be illegal.  But, if I have time, I&#039;ll try to give Bill a call tomorrow to see what he has to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I knew that it would be illegal.  But, if I have time, I&#8217;ll try to give Bill a call tomorrow to see what he has to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Eiselstein</title>
		<link>http://tylersclark.com/blog/2009/10/youngstowns-burning-again/comment-page-1/#comment-1042</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Eiselstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob,

Good idea and I again will help acquiring the Van Sickle remaining structures.

Something to consider though, is that whoever takes control of the properties will be exposed to liability and citations from the city.  If you propose to leave the interior gutted, the city can haul someone into the housing court and order immediate rectification.

In regards to deconstruction as discussed here, I can up the ante.  The Nevel Temple has informed me that they have several structures on the Northside that need to be demo&#039;d.  If you guys are serious, I can ask them if we can deconstruct.  I will help by bringing in machinery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob,</p>
<p>Good idea and I again will help acquiring the Van Sickle remaining structures.</p>
<p>Something to consider though, is that whoever takes control of the properties will be exposed to liability and citations from the city.  If you propose to leave the interior gutted, the city can haul someone into the housing court and order immediate rectification.</p>
<p>In regards to deconstruction as discussed here, I can up the ante.  The Nevel Temple has informed me that they have several structures on the Northside that need to be demo&#8217;d.  If you guys are serious, I can ask them if we can deconstruct.  I will help by bringing in machinery.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Eiselstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Eiselstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J.R.,

It is illegal to remove property from structures that are not owned.  However, D&#039;Avignon talked about &quot;receivership&quot; having the authority to be protected in any investment into a property.  I would think that this would mean clean up , boarding up and anything that improves the condition.  As far as removing anything of value, I think you should call D&#039;avignon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.R.,</p>
<p>It is illegal to remove property from structures that are not owned.  However, D&#8217;Avignon talked about &#8220;receivership&#8221; having the authority to be protected in any investment into a property.  I would think that this would mean clean up , boarding up and anything that improves the condition.  As far as removing anything of value, I think you should call D&#8217;avignon.</p>
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